This is awesome. I’ve kinda always wanted a machine that used vim instead of the terminal (or a Canon Cat, that’s like an ancient word-processing computer)
I’ve been looking at prgmr.com and vultr.com for hosting solutions, after deciding against upgrading my home internet by $10/mo just for a server; their smaller offerings are cheaper or equal to that, and they seem like decent machines.
See around the 1:05-1:08 mark for some discussion about “electronic folk culture” and internet centralization - but the whole documentary is really cool - about the 80’s/90’s plunderphonics genre - intellectual property laws - and access - and what the future might hold
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BTW, if this speaks to you, and you’d like to collaborate on some new takes on these sort of aesthetics, find me on irc or tilde.town and let’s have some fun
Telehack is a simulation of a stylized arpanet/usenet, circa 1985-1990. It is a full multi-user simulation, including 25,000 hosts and BBS’s from the early net, thousands of files from the era, a collection of adventure and IF games, a working BASIC interpreter with a library of programs to run, simulated historical users, and more.
Python is talking about having something like a node_modules directory to bypass virtualenv and all the confusing stuff surrounding their dependencies. Naturally purists are already complaining, but I’ve manually installed dependencies as local files for projects before and I think this is a great idea to ensure everything stays together where it belongs without getting unnecessarily complex.
Also, it looks like it would be compatible with git-submodules, so you could keep your git repos free of other people’s code.
Is cat overused in CLI examples, especially in stack-overflow answers? Yes.
Is the raw processing power consumed by cat going to negate your productivity? No.
Are the clever work-arounds people invent to avoid using cat at all really worth it? Probably not, but it looks cooler than something more readable than just using cat…
So, the example I was thinking of when I wrote this goes like so…
Somebody on stack overflow wanted to generate passwords in bash, somebody suggested this solution:
cat /dev/urandom | tr -dc 'A-Za-z0-9!"#$%&'\''()*+,-./:;<=>?@[\]^_`{|}~' | head -c 13
another user suggested this method to avoid using cat:
</dev/urandom tr -dc 'A-Za-z0-9!"#$%&'\''()*+,-./:;<=>?@[\]^_`{|}~' | head -c 13 ; echo
but I couldn’t make heads or tails of what was happening with </dev/urandom redirecting input or ; echo apparently doing something with the returned status? –
So the question becomes, which is more readable? to me it’s the one with the (technically) unnecessary cat.
This is an awesome throwback to waaay too much of my time around college – it inspired (what eventually became) http://revengerists.com/library/ – originally the library game was hidden, and to find it you had to navigate a few domains of notpron-style puzzles before being tasked with the library
To me, the rest seem pretty obtuse.
In 2018 people should be talking of self-hosting, not about paying web hosting (that are likely to resell cloud services)
I think paying for web hosting is one step above letting FB control your data.
Of course, self-hosting is the best position to be in, but not everyone has a stable internet connection or the technical know-how to do that. Although, I would love for both of those to start moving in the right direction, baby steps first.
there are literally web/ssh/vnc/ftp/etc server apps for android…
hosting your own servers is easier than ever…
tho stable net is one obstacle, the bigger one is ISPs not allowing incoming traffic…
It sucks that ISPs have made it so difficult to have a home server - not impossible, just more difficult than it needs to be.
If there was an iOS/Android app made to turn a phone into a server, that’d be incredible – I’d love to have people dial into my cellphone which hosts a BBS, but alas that’s only a dream.
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This is awesome. I’ve kinda always wanted a machine that used vim instead of the terminal (or a Canon Cat, that’s like an ancient word-processing computer)
Neat! I’m skipping straight to the typewriters!
I’ve been looking at prgmr.com and vultr.com for hosting solutions, after deciding against upgrading my home internet by $10/mo just for a server; their smaller offerings are cheaper or equal to that, and they seem like decent machines.
See around the 1:05-1:08 mark for some discussion about “electronic folk culture” and internet centralization - but the whole documentary is really cool - about the 80’s/90’s plunderphonics genre - intellectual property laws - and access - and what the future might hold
….
BTW, if this speaks to you, and you’d like to collaborate on some new takes on these sort of aesthetics, find me on irc or tilde.town and let’s have some fun
Here’s some notes I’ve collected while playing if anyone is interested (potential spoilers) https://gist.github.com/JKirchartz/9b0c26ead8130334774a
All these people clamouring for a new graphical gopher client are tempting me to make an electron monstrosity.
You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, you didn’t stop to think if you should.
90% there: https://www.npmjs.com/package/copher
maan, they seems cool, with the small minus of actually requiring people in your vicinity to use them…
https://beakerbrowser.com/ seems especially cool idea…
Beaker would be cooler if it had android/iphone versions :/
there’s KINDA android version, I guess… it’s called Bunsen Browser… tho it’s basic and has no editing…
Agreed. We need to make the web fun again, and not just an ad delivery service.
More creators, less consumers.
Maybe we can all create and consume and be Consumeators.
meanwhile, yourtilde is busy setting up a banner exchange that’s quite literally an ad delivery service ;P
I see it more as a link exchange, much like a web-ring.
Python is talking about having something like a
node_modulesdirectory to bypass virtualenv and all the confusing stuff surrounding their dependencies. Naturally purists are already complaining, but I’ve manually installed dependencies as local files for projects before and I think this is a great idea to ensure everything stays together where it belongs without getting unnecessarily complex.Also, it looks like it would be compatible with git-submodules, so you could keep your git repos free of other people’s code.
while I cannot condone or condemn reddit, this post suggests joining their sub r/spartanweb
I’ve got an old PIII w/ Ubuntu on it somewhere… I was gonna try to put a cluster of RasPi’s in there, but maybe a vintage OS is more fun?
Might I suggest Risc OS?
Coincidentally, I just saw this today: https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/put-down-pipe
Is
catoverused in CLI examples, especially in stack-overflow answers? Yes. Is the raw processing power consumed bycatgoing to negate your productivity? No. Are the clever work-arounds people invent to avoid using cat at all really worth it? Probably not, but it looks cooler than something more readable than just using cat…So, the example I was thinking of when I wrote this goes like so…
Somebody on stack overflow wanted to generate passwords in bash, somebody suggested this solution:
another user suggested this method to avoid using cat:
but I couldn’t make heads or tails of what was happening with
</dev/urandomredirecting input or; echoapparently doing something with the returned status? –So the question becomes, which is more readable? to me it’s the one with the (technically) unnecessary cat.
This is an awesome throwback to waaay too much of my time around college – it inspired (what eventually became) http://revengerists.com/library/ – originally the library game was hidden, and to find it you had to navigate a few domains of notpron-style puzzles before being tasked with the library
I agree with the title.
To me, the rest seem pretty obtuse.
In 2018 people should be talking of self-hosting, not about paying web hosting (that are likely to resell cloud services)
I think paying for web hosting is one step above letting FB control your data.
Of course, self-hosting is the best position to be in, but not everyone has a stable internet connection or the technical know-how to do that. Although, I would love for both of those to start moving in the right direction, baby steps first.
there are literally web/ssh/vnc/ftp/etc server apps for android… hosting your own servers is easier than ever… tho stable net is one obstacle, the bigger one is ISPs not allowing incoming traffic…
It sucks that ISPs have made it so difficult to have a home server - not impossible, just more difficult than it needs to be.
If there was an iOS/Android app made to turn a phone into a server, that’d be incredible – I’d love to have people dial into my cellphone which hosts a BBS, but alas that’s only a dream.
dialing part might be a dream, but server part definitely isn’t…tho your server will probably not reach the internet cause dam ISPs deciding so…
I hope someday that Microsoft will give up on trying to create a working browser, and focus on creating a working operating system.
I don’t know their strategy, but given WSL, I suspect they will soon give up on trying to create a working operating system.
“… a buggy set of drivers…” is my hope, but with less “buggy” :)