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    I don’t see how the AGPL is weakened, as it appears to be the perfect license to use: All code used by Amazon, for example, to deliver a product using an AGPL’d license would need to be released back to the community. It’s one of the issues that counter dot social is running into right now: They are not in compliance right now with the AGPL, because all of the interconnected code used to deliver the site is not open sourced.

    The problem with the Hacking License, last I knew, was a lack of lawyer review, and it is very confusing and many terms are nebulous in their usage. Perhaps in a few years, with much refinement, it could be a suitable license.

    The problem is orgs like Bain Capital don’t care about free software, or open source, for that matter. They only care that their investments retain value so they can gut it out piecemeal. Them working on a license is enough to make me want to run far, far away, as fast as possible.

    There’s not really a vaccuum in the Free Software licensing options. The AGPL suits perfectly in this case.

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      I agree with you that they are trying to exploit a vacuum in the Free Software licensing option.

      The fun fact is that they are debating with OSI that have alwaya beem very keen to please corporations. I followed the debate about SSPL on the OSI mailing list and some of their point holds.

      They are trying to force OSI to “stay relevant” in a way that serves their business model, not Free Software.

      On the other hand, the more we move towards a distributed computing system, the more AGPL is becomes a weak copyleft like LGPL: linking becomes less and less relevant while the right to self-host applications composed of several programs becomes more important.

      A totally different license that address these issues without trying to exploit developers is the Hacking License.

      The fun fact is that people who don’t want to listen about honest attempts to fix these issues will end supporting venture capitalist that will exploit them.

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        Case in point, if they really cared about using an open source license, the AGPL is already there to do exactly what they say the aim to do, while protecting the 4 freedoms.

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          Color me skeptical of this author’s view, as he is a mouthpiece for Bain Capital, one of the most predatory vulture capitalist firms in the world.

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            I think paying for web hosting is one step above letting FB control your data.

            Of course, self-hosting is the best position to be in, but not everyone has a stable internet connection or the technical know-how to do that. Although, I would love for both of those to start moving in the right direction, baby steps first.

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              I agree with the title.

              To me, the rest seem pretty obtuse.
              In 2018 people should be talking of self-hosting, not about paying web hosting (that are likely to resell cloud services)

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                  wow i agree with all of these things. the pip and 2 vs 3 thing is a huge PITA for someone like me who doesn’t write all that much in python

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                    When I used slack at work this would bug the shit out of me. Like, I’m working, ask the damn question already.

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                        The length of e’s doesn’t matter. But it’s really sad that GitHub staff is bothering to listen to people who think that the repository doesn’t have a serious purpose.

                        – iliana weller ilianaw@buttslol.net

                        the @buttslol.net mail got me, lol

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                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n6ubzCzZ5I

                          Android vs iOS: Which spies on you more?

                          Lunduke's response to that, basically
                          
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                            I like this concept, particularly in the context of technology. Technology can so easily feed impatience and lead to people undervalue those around them. But it can also support connections between people in ways that increase empathy and appreciation. We have to very consciously decide how we want to use technology – or it will be imposed on us against our best interests.

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                              I didn’t notice that :-( Debo’d from lobste.rs

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                                it’s worth noting it’s winblows only

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                                  misleading advertising ;P

                                  ASCII editor implies being made FOR ASCII, NOT for ANSI

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                                    what an insidious dark pattern that most apps have fallen into…

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                                      Interesting concept. Seems to be a response to the hyper-consumerism as encouraged by post-industrial capitalism.

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                                        I love hack - my only issue was that O and 0 are not very distinguishable, though it makes l / 1 / I easy to differentiate from each other. The O/0 issue prompted me to move to inconsolata.

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                                          Not sure how this is better than Keepass variants? Since it’s a FOSS project anyways, I don’t see why they don’t just contribute to KeepassXC, for example?